Changing the way we think about the world

Q&A with CXFEL scientist Sam Teitelbaum


December 29, 2022

Editor's note: This is the final installment of a four-part series profiling the researchers who work on ASU's compact X-ray free electron laser. Read the previous installments: Q&As with Regents Professor Petra FrommeCXFEL Labs Chief Scientist William Graves and CXFEL Labs Director Robert Kaindl.

As an undergraduate, Sam Teitelbaum viewed physics very narrowly.  ASU Assistant Professor Sam Teitelbaum is pictured from the chest up, smiling, in front of a blurry outdoor background. Assistant Professor Sam Teitelbaum Download Full Image

“Now I realize that physics is a tool you can take with you anywhere, a mindset you can use to approach lots of different problems,” he says.

Teitelbaum brings this approach to his work building compact X-ray equipment in Arizona State University’s Biodesign Institute. An assistant professor in the Department of Physics and a key member of the Biodesign Center for Applied Structural Discovery, Teitelbaum is helping guide the design of the Compact X-ray Free Electron Laser, or CXFEL. 

In this Q&A, Teitelbaum recounts his influences and passions, his journey to ASU and how some of his big questions about physics as an undergraduate student are coming full circle with the CXFEL.

Question: What is your role with CXFEL Labs?

Answer: Formally, I am responsible for the design of the quantum materials applications in the CXFEL proposal. I’m also responsible for a subset of the CXFEL laser systems, specifically the overtaking geometry.

Informally, I’m on hand as an experimentalist that likes to troubleshoot things. That means on a day-to-day basis, I’m usually down in the CXFEL Labs helping students working on the lasers or building out the instruments, and just being around to help. There’s a gravitational pull to being down in the labs. There are so many instruments, and unlike a big national lab, you can work with all of them and teach students how to use them. It’s a really fun place to be. 

Q: What expertise do you bring to the team?

A: My research uses things like free electron lasers, tabletop lasers and synchrotrons to understand how materials transform. Take water for example — ice melts when it heats up. But temperature is just random motion of atoms, energy deposited into a material as noise. And it takes time for that noise to build up. Using our instruments, we could learn a lot about the properties of matter by observing it on the very fast time scales their individual molecules operate on. We could potentially make materials go through transformations called phase transitions that are so fast that you can’t even say a temperature exists, because there wasn’t enough time for that noise to build up. Can we make new phases of matter by taking advantage of the idea that materials don’t need a temperature?

So what I bring to CXFEL is my experience as an experimentalist to guide our design of the compact X-ray light source and adapt the experiments I’ve conducted with tabletop lasers and synchrotrons to our work here.

Q: How did your academic career prepare you for your work at the CXFEL Labs?

A: I did my PhD at MIT, where I worked on shaping laser pulses to basically arrive at the right place at the right time to better study materials. Typically, when we do these experiments, we want the material to come back to how it was before the laser pulse hit it, because we want to repeat the experiment millions of times. If it won’t come back to its previous state, you need to find a way to get all the information required from one laser pulse.

It turns out the same kind of techniques that I was using to get all the information about materials in one laser pulse are also what we’re using to build the laser undulator at CXFEL. Making laser pulses do gymnastics is an extraordinarily useful concept, which allows us to do everything from manipulating materials to extracting useful information from them.

Q: What has been one challenge in the CXFEL project and how are you and the team overcoming it?

A: CXFEL is a tool that combines two concepts in a novel way: inverse Compton scattering and emittance exchange. Emittance exchange allows us to precisely shape an electron bunch in a way so it emits its X-rays all at once. Inverse Compton scattering is using a high-power laser to make X-rays from our electron beam. 

The emittance exchange portion of that puts pretty stringent requirements on the electron beam. Getting all of it to work requires the laser to do new and unique things, which means exciting design challenges that bring our whole team together. This is an area where ASU’s approach has really been key. CXFEL has a smaller team than other XFELs. Getting it to work requires really close collaboration between the laser scientists, accelerator physicists, engineers and even the users to get the most out of our source. We have a lot of developments happening in parallel, which is challenging, but also an opportunity for us to come up with innovative ways to approach problems.

Q: Why is ASU the right place to build these instruments?

A: When you have a project like this that spans different disciplines and departments, there’s a lot of potential for friction. But we all work together very well. At ASU, faculty seem to understand that our work is about raising the quality of the institution as a whole and not necessarily about the prestige of their individual research programs. There’s an understanding that we need to ensure that ASU is doing something interesting and challenging, so we can continue to attract great people and do more interesting and challenging things.

Q: What was the moment when you discovered your passion for science?

A: When I started college at the University of Maryland, I had a professor for electricity and magnetism named Victor Yakovenko. He was a theoretical condensed matter physicist. On day one, he came into class with a little bowl of liquid nitrogen, a high temperature superconductor called yttrium barium copper oxide, and a magnet. He put the superconductor in the liquid nitrogen, which takes it below its critical temperature. He then placed the magnet over the superconductor, where it levitated. And what he said was, “Nobody knows why this material can do this at this temperature.”

I didn't know that physics had problems like that. I loved the idea that there were these little rocks all over the place, and for the most part, we had no clue how they worked. I was hooked on that.

Now, some of the key experiments that we have in mind for the quantum materials applications of CXFEL are to investigate that very material — yttrium barium copper oxide.

Q: What were other pivotal moments in your career that led you to where you are today?

A: I became really interested in lasers as an undergraduate, but I never got a chance to do all that much undergraduate research on materials. Then in graduate school, I was able to apply that passion for complex materials that started in Professor Yakovenko’s class. Then my postdoctoral work came about basically because I had questions about problems I was working on. I felt that optical lasers couldn't see the things about materials that I really wanted to see. After learning about what people were doing with XFELs, I just really wanted to be able to answer those questions and see those things that you really need X-rays for. The majority of crystal motion is not easily accessible with optical lasers. In order for an optical laser to observe crystal vibration, it can only see things where every cell in the crystal is doing the same thing at the same time. Which, if you think about all the different arrangements of vibrations that can happen, that's a very, very, very small fraction of them.

Q: You described physics as a “tool you can take with you anywhere.” Do you apply that mindset to your personal interests or hobbies? Do those interests complement your work?

A: You do end up seeing physics everywhere you go. I love cycling, and one of the fun things about cycling is it’s really easy to do all your own repairs on your bike. A bike is a machine where you can easily see all the moving parts and how they work together. But I also really like cycling because I can turn my brain off and not think about physics for a while. I think we all need a little time away from work. Cooking is something I love, and it has a long intersection with chemistry, which is what I studied as an undergrad. You can use chemistry to inform your cooking and understand why certain recipes work and others don’t.

On the other hand, my background in visual art and theater has really helped my work as a scientist. Both of those were really helpful for honing my communication skills and teaching me to have fun presenting my work. If you can’t explain what you’re doing as a scientist in a clear and engaging way, you’re not going to be able to collaborate with anyone, you’re not going to be able to train anyone, and it will make obtaining grants and awards that much harder.

Q: What motivates and excites you most about your work?

A: Working with students. One of the nice things about being a faculty member is you’re constantly reminded of what it was like to learn this stuff the first time, and I think that really prevents me from becoming cynical about my work.

Q: What potential application or aspect of the CXFEL is most exciting to you?

A: So, yttrium barium copper oxide, the high temperature superconductor I mentioned earlier? Most of the “action” that makes superconductivity that we’re interested in is in the copper and the oxygen atoms of the crystal. CXFEL will be able to see electrons shuffling across those chemical bonds, between the oxygen and copper atoms in real time. We will be able to see what happens when you apply a strong laser field to a high temperature superconductor.

It's predicted that there are new states of matter in these materials that only exist when the laser fields are on, and we can only see them with a machine like CXFEL. I think it potentially could break open a whole new area because we’ll be seeing new things, and seeing new things changes the way we think about the world.

Q: Who has had the biggest impact/influence on you as a person?

A: My parents. My dad was a biochemist at the EPA and now he is a physician’s assistant, and my mom is a doctor of occupational health. Both of my parents really instilled in me a love of the natural world, curiosity and gave me freedom to explore. I'd like to thank them for letting me clean up my Legos at my own pace and accepting that I had a plan for that pile of Legos. That probably sounds awfully familiar to my colleagues nowadays. “No, no don’t clean it up. I have a plan for that setup!”

The Biodesign Institute and its CXFEL Labs are partially supported by Arizona’s Technology and Research Initiative Fund. TRIF investment has enabled hands-on training for tens of thousands of students across Arizona’s universities, thousands of scientific discoveries and patented technologies, and hundreds of new startup companies. Publicly supported through voter approval, TRIF is an essential resource for growing Arizona’s economy and providing opportunities for Arizona residents to work, learn and thrive.

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When worlds collide

December 29, 2022

ASU professor brings dance, science together

It may seem unusual to pair science and dance, but that’s exactly what Arizona State University faculty member Keith Thompson is doing.

Thompson, associate director of the dance program and associate professor at ASU, collaborated with the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams (FRIB) and Wharton Center for the Performing Arts at Michigan State University to create an interactive, multimedia project that educates the community on the intersection of art and science. The program involved graduate students, physicists, dancers and a cast of diverse youth.

Thompson said it was important to emphasize diversity through the program. He cited studies that show how girls and students of color often lose interest in science-related programs as early as eighth grade. Thompson wants to help change that statistic. 

“We are trying to expand the idea about who gets to dance and about who gets to be a scientist,” said Thompson.

The event, called “Of Equal Place: Isotopes in Motion,” included performances, movement workshops and hands-on science experiences. It was inspired by ASU Herberger Institute Professor Liz Lerman’s work with the European Organization for Nuclear Research facility in Switzerland. Dance Exchange also collaborated on the project by performing as well as developing study guides for students.

The event, which was years in development, pushed groups together who otherwise may not often collaborate and learn from each other — much like the facility itself crashing particles together and studying those interactions to learn and better understand the universe.

Artemis Spyrou, physicist and professor at Michigan State University, said, “The collaboration … has given me the opportunity to observe the world of physics, my own world, from a different perspective.”

“It's not just that it’s dance and science,” said Clarence Brooks, who performed with Dance Exchange. “It’s really earth-shattering, mind-blowing, deep scientific information, and we are being used physically to visualize it.” 

Dancers took scientific formulas, created symbols and then used those to communicate complex equations to the audience to make them more understandable.

Thompson said the performance was designed to show “what we're made of, what everything that we know in the world is made of, and how they’re creating things that don’t exist anywhere in the universe.”

The public walked around and experienced different aspects of the facility. The goal was for students and other participants to learn more about themselves and become more enthusiastic about science by interacting as scientists. The event also allowed the collaborators to observe and analyze information for research purposes. 

“We had physicists and scientists that were gathering all the information so they could take it back and analyze the data and information to see what people are learning through science and through dance,” said Thompson.

Thompson plans to continue these types of collaborations because he enjoys seeing growth in understanding between the arts and science. 

“It would be nice to tackle other scientific areas in the future and see how dance can tell their stories as well,” he said.

Written by Benjamin Adelberg.

Top photo courtesy Harley Seeley