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Media expert on pivotal moment of 1st lead Emmy nom for trans actress

July 15, 2021

ASU film and media studies expert says Mj Rodriguez's nod, the first for a trans woman, sets new standard

Hollywood has reached another milestone in LGBTQ representation, and this one is definitely moving the needle.

Tinseltown is buzzing over the recent Emmy nomination of Mj Rodriguez, who is the first transgender performer to receive this nod in a major acting category.

Rodriguez has been nominated for outstanding lead actress in a drama series for FX’s “Pose,” which focuses on the underground ballroom culture of the 1980s and ‘90s in New York City. The show also features the largest cast of transgender actors ever assembled for a scripted series.

The 30-year-old actress said she hopes to use her platform to inspire a generation of trans women to dream big.

“I would like trans women, and specifically trans women of color — especially younger girls who are trans and of color — to take away that this is more than possible,” Rodriguez recently told The New York Times. “If you’re persistent, if you keep your eyes on the prize, if you never let anyone tell you otherwise, you’ll keep living and knowing that your existence is worth it, and that you have a purpose on this earth.”

The 73rd Primetime Emmy Awards will air 5 p.m. MST on Sept. 19, 2021.

ASU News spoke to Associate Professor Julia Himberg, director of ASU’s film and media studies program and author of “The New Gay For Pay: The Sexual Politics of American Television Production,” about this historic nomination and what it will mean for Hollywood and the LGBTQ community.

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Julia Himberg

Question: Do you consider this a Hollywood milestone and why?

Answer: In some ways, yes. It sets a new standard for Hollywood and for audiences. Ultimately, these kinds of moments can contribute to broader social and institutional change. This is especially true for trans people — according to studies the majority of Americans say they don’t know a trans person. What this means is that most of the information that Americans get about who trans people are comes from the media. This is why representation matters so much. It can impact how people view an entire segment of society that they would otherwise not learn about. But I always think it’s important to be cautious about big proclamations when it comes to changes like this one. It is pivotal but it is also a singular change that requires leaders in Hollywood to follow from in the decisions they make going forward. Systemic change takes time and intention. 

Q: Since the acting categories are divided between males and females, do you think Hollywood will open this up to other categorizations?

A: It offers a chance to question the binary nature of gender that’s been constructed, which certainly opens it up to the possibility that Hollywood may change the way it categorizes people for events like awards. It also has the potential to reinforce the binary though. I say this because what we have mostly seen are images of trans men and women who conform to conventional ideas about gender — so we see trans women who are exceptionally feminine and trans men who are conventionally masculine. There aren’t many actors or images in mainstream media that challenge this binary — instead what we see tends to reinforce traditional ideas of what it means to look and act like a man or woman.

Q: Do you feel this nomination will lead to more scripts and parts for the LGTBQ community?

A: It has the potential to, because today there is a bigger push than ever to see more diversity in front of and behind the camera in Hollywood. And there are more outlets than ever competing for viewers’ attention so we are seeing more LGBTQ stories than in the past, particularly more stories about BIPOCBlack, Indigenous and people of color. LGBTQ people. We will see if this is the kind of tipping point that Time magazine declared when they put Laverne Cox on the cover in 2014. That was a crucial moment and there have been tremendous strides since then. On the other hand, in this same time, there have been systematic, organized and often successful attempts at all levels — local, state and federal — to pass anti-trans bills that make life less safe and secure for trans people. So there is a strong backlash working to instate or reinstate discriminatory policies against trans people, and they tend to treat Hollywood as a liberal bastion in the service of a socially progressive agenda. 

Q: Is there a potential backlash from the public?

A: This question makes me think of the last lines of the documentary "Disclosure" (about trans representation in film and television). In it, Laverne Cox, who also executive produced the film, says “I wonder if people who love these shows … will reach out to trans people in need and work to defeat policies that scapegoat us, policies that discriminate against us, policies that dehumanize us. Because until that happens, all that energy from the silver screen won’t be enough to better the lives of trans people off the screen.” While the media gets a lot of attention for making positive social change, this is an important question to ask — what are the limits of representation and how do they affect everyday trans people?

Q: Final thoughts on this subject?

A: More than anything I see this as a victory for trans actors who for so long have not been hired. Despite being represented in film and television since the earliest moving images (D.W. Griffith featured trans characters in his films — in damning and damaging ways), trans actors have long struggled to work in Hollywood. So this Emmy nomination sets the bar higher, hopefully reinforcing to executives and casting directors that trans stories can and should be told by trans actors. (The "Pose") nominations more generally also send a hopeful message that shows with trans writers, directors and actors are becoming a more accepted and even expected part of the television landscape. This is an especially notable victory for Rodriguez and much of the show’s cast and crew as trans people of color.

Top photo: Mj Rodriguez as Blanca in a scene from "Pose." Photo courtesy of FX. 

Reporter , ASU News


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Science and art come together in the natural world for ASU grad

July 15, 2021

ASU alumna creates mural that promotes conservation of intertidal ecosystems, her honors thesis subject

Art has always had a place in science. Leonardo da Vinci sketching corpses. Charles Darwin in Tierra del Fuego. John James Audubon and the birds of America. Sir Joseph Banks and everything he laid eyes on.

Now, newly minted Arizona State University graduate Jessica Potter has joined their ranks.

Potter, who recently graduated with a Bachelor of Science in conservation biology and ecology, completed a mural art project in Puerto Peñasco, Mexico, also known as Rocky Point, calling attention to the rich life in the area's tidal pools, those areas between the land and the sea exposed to air at low tide and covered by water at high tide.

Tidal pools provide windows into the sea for everyone. You don’t need a scuba tank or a boat to get to them and admire the rich variety of life. They’re like little towns, teeming with starfish, anemones, clams, fish, sea urchins, snails and octopuses.

Potter has always loved marine biology. Her grandmother read her a book she loved about ocean animals. In school she made newspapers and websites about animals and conservation issues.

A few years ago she went to Rocky Point for a marine biology class taught by Professor Susanne Neuer of the School of Life Sciences. Potter ended up doing her honors thesis on the intertidal ecosystem, including a collaboration with a research organization called the Intercultural Center for the Study of Deserts and Oceans (CEDO).

In addition to her thesis, Potter produced a flyer about tidal pools aimed at tourists, which CEDO printed for World Oceans Day.

With the pandemic in full swing, an honors thesis project was limited. Neuer was in touch with CEDO.

“Then we found this bigger project (to) … create this brochure to educate tourists about the intertidal ecosystems and also about tidepool etiquette, which is how to sort of enjoy your tide pool experience while also doing minimal damage to the ecosystem,” Potter said. “And then from that, that led to doing the mural to sort of reinforce what was taught in the brochure.”

She did the illustrations during the pandemic, working totally remotely.

“When I was doing this project, while I was researching these species, I would also be drawing them,” she said. “It made me feel like I was developing this more personal relationship. You might just quickly Google some photos of these animals, but to spend time looking at them and drawing out all these details, it really felt like it allowed me to establish that closer connection.”

After CEDO saw the drawings Potter did for the brochure, they wanted her to paint the mural.

“I discovered what a talented artist she was,” Neuer said. “She did all of the drawings in the brochure herself, and hence also the request by CEDO that she’d participate in the painting of the mural.”

The mural is on the wall of Manny’s Beach Club, a popular beach bar. The walkway leads to El Mirador Beach, which is a Blue Flag-certified beach, meaning it has achieved high health, environmental and educational standards.

Local residents have seen themselves in the mural.  

“A lot of people stopped by to tell me this is what I see every single day looking out on the beach,” Potter said. “'Cause there's a mother and a daughter going tide pooling and looking at all the animals. So they felt that it was a really good depiction of what this area means to them.”

Potter’s dream is to be a scientific illustrator and to find new and creative ways to teach people about local ecosystems and environmental issues.

The projects have opened up the possibilities of her degree.

“I didn't even think about the possibility of combining these two things, because before I was just thinking, 'Well, I'm really interested in environmental science and ecology, so I'll probably just get sort of a research job,' but then this really opened me up to these different opportunities that you can take with a science degree,” she said.

“There's a space for art within science and how we can use art as a tool to connect with people.”

Scott Seckel

Reporter , ASU News