JD grad applies Tibetan practices to navigate law school

ASU Law’s family environment combined with premier legal training ‘ground’ her in success

April 16, 2021

Editor's note: This story is part of a series of profiles of notable spring 2021 graduates.

A translator and interpreter for the Tibetan language. A Fulbright Scholar. A reader of Sanskrit and Hindi who took Mandarin while an undergraduate and spent summers living in monasteries in India and Nepal with Tibetan monks and nuns. Vanessa Kubota Vanessa Kubota, a former translator and interpreter for the Tibetan language, looks forward to taking her ASU Law JD to make a difference in the public sector. Download Full Image

All accomplished before Vanessa A. Kubota even applied to the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University. And for Kubota, who will earn her JD this spring, her many more achievements since know no bounds. She credits ASU Law’s exceptional legal training in an environment that feels like family.

“What drew me to ASU was the fact that it is a top law school with the highest-caliber legal education and excellent job-finding statistics for its graduates, and yet people are very approachable and down-to-earth,” said Kubota, who has served as a teacher’s assistant for property law and constitutional law and worked as a research assistant to two law professors while pursuing her JD.

“ASU Law is a school that truly cares about students’ success on every level – not just our academic success, but our whole being and our physical and mental health,” Kubota said. “The ASU community is very supportive, and the faculty is phenomenal. The law school is beautiful, inside and out.”

An O’Connor Merit Scholarship recipient and Pedrick Scholar, Kubota says ASU Law made her immediately feel welcomed and supported as a mother of two small children, with her daughters often joining her in the study rooms and during moot court team rehearsals.

“The students here are intelligent and ASU has really made it a point to foster and nurture diversity,” she said. “People here are kind and they treat one another with respect. It’s the kind of place where students will cheer for one another’s accomplishments and will support one another during the challenging times.

“It’s a law school filled with brilliant and genuine people, good people, people who love the law and who want to do good in the world. I feel blessed to graduate from such a stellar institution.”

Question: What was your “aha” moment when you realized you wanted to study in your particular field of law?

Answer: I have known since I started law school that I wanted to work in the public sector. Much of my externships have been with the federal government in some capacity or another.

Justice William Montgomery’s class on the role of victims in criminal procedure really opened my eyes to the importance of victims’ rights and the need for prosecutors who respect and understand the constitutional rights of victims. I am especially interested in prosecuting violent crimes, crimes against children, domestic violence, hate crimes and human trafficking.

Interning in the violent crimes unit at the U.S. attorney’s office here in Arizona, and the O.C. district attorney’s office in California solidified my desire to become a prosecutor. Externing at the EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) has made me want to work in employment discrimination law. I also loved my time at USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Service) and all my externships. I am blessed to have found many lifelong mentors in the judges, lawyers and law professors I have worked with over these three years at ASU Law.

Q: What’s something you learned while at ASU Law — in the classroom or otherwise — that surprised you or changed your perspective? 

A: When I started law school, it was very intimidating. I prayed a lot. There were many times where I thought I couldn’t do it. In law school, you are rewiring your brain — forging new synapses, as Professor Bob Miller used to say in our civil procedure class. You are basically going in with these preexisting habits and somewhat lazy or untrained ways of thinking, and law school begins to refine your mind. You become a sharper and more efficient thinker, and at the same time, because the learning process is so radically different from any other kind of education you may have experienced, you are feeling incredibly vulnerable and insecure as your entire sense of identity and your beliefs about your own intelligence are put to the test, challenged and transformed.

During the deconstruction process, the law school experience can feel very plutonic. You have to trust the process. It changes the very core of your being. You don’t realize it at first, but by the second year, you begin to notice that your mind is changing, evolving. Everything about you is being refined. Even the way you speak and interact. You become less frenetic, less impulsive and more grounded.

But there are still many moments of groundlessness. I learned that often our greatness emerges from these moments of pure vulnerability, where we are stripped of ego and forced to take an unmediated look at our own self-created barriers to learning. When things feel impossible, that is when we must keep going.

I remember Eleanor Roosevelt’s famous words, “You must do the thing you think you cannot do.” Five years ago, I never imagined that in 2021 I would be graduating from a top-tier law school with lifelong friends, colleagues and mentors. It still feels like a dream.

Q: What’s the best piece of advice you’d give to those contemplating ASU Law, and those still in law school?

A: For those contemplating ASU Law, my advice is to enroll here. It is an amazing law school with a robust network of lawyers and judges who will help you every step of the way.

For those still in law school, my best advice is to have faith. Prayer has gotten me through many times when I felt scared or discouraged. Law school can be a spiritual experience. The training, the slow but ruthless annihilation of the ego, the experience of being humbled, the growth, the discipline, the wisdom, the feeling of camaraderie with your fellow classmates who are all going through the same thing – it’s truly the only kind of secular education I can think of that resembles the rigorous training of a martial artist or a Zen master.

My other piece of advice to law students is to surrender to the experience. Know that you are exactly where you are meant to be. Try not to get caught up in the trappings of comparison, even though it can be hard. Names, rank and status are somewhat illusory. They are helpful, but they do not define you as a law student. What defines you is your motivation. So be authentic with everyone. Do not try to be the smartest person in the room, but strive to be the kindest person.

The important thing is to find an area of law that ignites your love for being alive and makes you want to work hard. Find your reason.

Q: What are your plans after graduation?

A: After graduating I will be clerking for two years for the Honorable David D. Weinzweig at the Arizona Court of Appeals. Following that, I think I would like to apply for the Department of Justice Honors program. But I am open to see where my path takes me.

In addition to the O’Connor Merit and Pedrick scholarships, Kubota is a recipient of the Matt & Michele Feeney Family Scholarship, the Les Schiefelbein Global Dispute Resolution Scholarship, and the Matheson Client Counseling Scholarship funded by Davis Miles McGuire Gardner. She completed more than 600 hours of pro bono work and multiple externships and internships while at ASU Law. She also was recognized with multiple awards including the CALI Excellence for the Future Awards for achieving the highest grade in legal method and writing, victims in criminal procedure, and race and intellectual property.

photo of Vanessa Kubota and Tibetan Lama

ASU Law JD grad Vanessa Kubota (right) says one of her most memorable experiences was bringing renowned Tibetan lamas to the law school two years in a row to lecture on mediation and alternative dispute resolution from a Tibetan perspective. Kubota interpreted for the lamas when they visited.

Julie Tenney

Director of Communications, Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law

ASU geographers and urban planners support one another in the face of anti-Asian hate

Listening session, community research among ways the School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning community leverages strengths in pursuit of a more equitable and inclusive future

April 16, 2021

As reports of anti-Asian hate crimes have escalated across the country in recent months, nearly two dozen students, faculty and staff in the School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning at Arizona State University gathered virtually to share their experiences facing anti-Asian discrimination and to provide support to one another.

Hosted by the school’s Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion (JEDI) committee, the “Stop Asian American/Pacific Islander (AAPI) Hate” listening session was created to provide a safe space for students, faculty and staff in the wake of violence against Asian and Asian American minorities, including the Atlanta mass shooting in which a gunman killed eight people, six of whom were women of Asian descent. The School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning recently held a “Stop Asian American/Pacific Islander (AAPI) Hate” listening session to provide a safe space for students, faculty and staff. Download Full Image

“For a particular unit like our school, our JEDI committee felt a statement alone wouldn’t help people take a stance,” said Wei Li, professor in the School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning and the associate director of JEDI. “We need to hear from people, their own voices, what they’ve experienced, what they think we should do in terms of anti-racism and also how we can help each other to make a safe environment and the people in it feel comfortable to share what they think and what they experience.”

Siqiao Xie, a geography PhD student in the school, attended the session.

“I've been living in rather isolated conditions during the pandemic, and the recent rise of anti-Asian hate crimes and my own experience gave me a lot of mental pressure,” Xie said. “I really needed some support from my peers and an outlet for my emotions. I think this listening session was a very good opportunity.” 

The listening session opened with a brief introduction by Li around the historical and contemporary context of anti-Asian racism in the U.S., then gave way to an open floor in which individuals spoke about their personal experiences with racial discrimination, anecdotes of hope, and stories of peers stepping in when confronted with racial hate. Together, the community of participants asked and addressed how they best could support one another.

“I was angry and saddened to hear about some of the experiences our students have had. At the same time, I was uplifted by stories of support and love in the face of hateful words and actions,” said Rebecca Reining, who attended the session and is a staff member in the school. “These spaces are important because they allow for an open sharing of ideas, without judgment. I think it’s important to offer these spaces without expectation. It isn’t the responsibility of Asian, Black or Latino individuals to do the emotional labor of educating the rest of us.” 

As anti-Asian hate crimes rise, researchers act 

Wei Li

In the past year, hate crimes against Asians and Asian-Americans have risen exponentially, in part because of widely used harmful and inaccurate rhetoric blaming Asians for the spread of COVID-19. More than 3,700 anti-Asian hate incidents in the U.S. were reported between March 2020 and February 2021, and in Phoenix alone, reported anti-Asian hate crimes rose by 50%

Over that time, researchers across ASU’s School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning have been leveraging their academic expertise to examine whether and how Asian Americans are disproportionately under more risk during COVID-19 through a spatial and social science lens. 

In a recently accepted research chapter co-authored by Xie, Li and Yining Tan, a geography PhD student in the School, the team analyzed Asian American social vulnerability, COVID-19 infections and deaths, and increased records of anti-Asian hate crimes across the U.S. during the pandemic to reveal and visualize associations and geographical patterns.

Additionally, in a separate study, Li, who also has a joint academic appointment in the School of Social Transformation, is collaborating with ASU researchers Angela Chia-Chen Chen, associate professor in the Edson College of Nursing and Health Innovation, and Karen Leong, associate professor in the School of Social Transformation, to conduct a series of studies that shed light into individual Asian experiences locally in the Phoenix metro during the pandemic. 

In the group’s research, they interviewed and surveyed Asian and Asian Americans in three key constituent groups — minority nurses, college students and metro Phoenix community leaders — to better understand how individuals have been impacted by COVID-19 while simultaneously fighting stereotypes and negative stigmas within their daily lives. 

By bringing these discrepancies and social vulnerabilities of Asian and Asian Americans to light, Li hopes to provide information to government and community stakeholders that can help guide resource allocation efforts for future planning. 

“We hope to have these policy implications, so government agencies know where exactly a particular group of the vulnerable population need resources to prepare for a future pandemic and also to curb the spread of COVID-19 at present,” Li said. 

A community moving forward together 

The School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning is continuing to build on its efforts to strengthen its culture dedicated to inclusivity and equity by standing by its students, its faculty and its staff in meaningful ways. 

The school recently was selected as a recipient of ASU’s Presidential Postdoctoral Fellowship Program and the university’s newly established Doctoral Student Cluster in Race, Place and Equitable Communities program, which together starting in fall 2021 will fund a total of four scholars of color — two postdoctoral fellows and two graduate students — in geography or urban planning over two years to help increase the diversity of the faculty and student body in the school.

Additionally, the school’s JEDI committee is working to implement actions to create an environment in which Black Indigenous People of Color (BIPOC) students, faculty and staff can feel supported and thrive. The JEDI committee is evaluating potential future training on implicit bias and anti-racism. 

“Yes, we got this funding, we have the first cohort of BIPOC postdocs and graduate students coming together, but the work doesn’t stop there,” Li said. “If we don't continue to talk about race, if we don't do anti-racism work, when they come can we guarantee their success? Can they feel like they are truly welcome? Their experience matters. Their voice matters.” 

In the immediate future, Li says that the school’s Stop AAPI hate listening session’s success is encouraging for the JEDI committee as they plan to host periodical “JEDI coffee hours” where the school’s community can openly and freely chat with peers in a safe space. 

“We’re pleased about our listening session. It reinforced the JEDI committee’s thoughts that we need a safe space to allow people to be able to just speak up, just say what they feel, and for the rest of us to listen,” Li said. “That way we can better understand other people's experiences, be it individual or in a group, and collectively we can do something to keep making our school better.” 

David Rozul

Communications Specialist, School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning