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ASU undergrads get practice before med school

ASU has one-stop shop where pre-health majors can get the experience they need.
Pre-health internship program gives students edge when applying for med school.
July 22, 2016

Pre-health program provides clinical hours to give participants a practical advantage

Ever since Kenny Peterson (pictured above) was young, he’s wanted to be a vet — and it shows. He greets each pup at Midwestern Small Animal Clinic, where he’s interning, with a big smile and a gentle rub. The pre-health bio major genuinely loves the work he’s doing, and he’s getting to do it while he’s still an undergrad at Arizona State University.

In the past, students majoring in pre-health disciplines had to practically jump through hoops just to get a decent amount of hands-on medical experience during their undergrad years. Now, ASU’s Office of Clinical Partnerships’ Pre-Health Internship Program (PHIP) is providing a one-stop shop where they can apply for and be matched to internships that provide them with the relevant clinical hours they need to gain the experience and edge they need to go on to med school.

Pre-health majors come from a variety of schools and colleges within ASU, and this program is for all of them. Before it existed, there simply wasn’t a coordinated effort between all of the schools and colleges aimed at helping students get internship experience, said Renae Larcus, manager for health internships at ASU; they each had their own way of doing things.

So the task for Larcus and her colleagues was to identify how to provide a coordinated approach for students looking for clinical internships. “The intent was to create a one-stop shop where students could do the application process and be matched to a placement site that fit them,” she said.

There are three sessions available: spring, summer and fall. The program placed its first cohort of 19 students in the summer 2015 session, and that number grew to 40 for the summer 2016 session. For this fall’s session, they anticipate to place 125 pre-health students in clinical internships.

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Elena Ion participated in the Pre-health Internship Program

Elena Ion participated in the program’s spring 2016 session and has since graduated from ASU with a bachelor’s in microbiology. She was placed at HonorHealth Scottsdale Shea Medical Center, where she shadowed doctors and nurses.

While she learned the basics, such as how to take a patients’ vitals and administer medications, she also learned some unexpected lessons. “We had this one child — poor kid — 11 years old, and he fell into a cactus,” she recalled. When removing the needles became too painful for him, the doctor made the decision to sedate the boy. Before that could be done, though, he had to explain to his parents why, how and what they were about to do.

“This internship gave me the opportunity to see how the doctors interact with patients, and how the nurses interact with patients,” Ion said. “I learned that you have to make sure that people understand what you’re doing. You can’t just walk in and tell them in scientific terms, ‘We’re going to do this,’ because if they don’t understand, they might get scared, and then you don’t have that trusting doctor-patient connection.”

Christina Islas is the program’s placement specialist, working with pre-health majors at all four ASU campuses. She serves as the liaison between the students and the placement sites, which she tours ahead of time to meet the staff and get a rundown of what the students will be doing on a daily basis.

“Having this opportunity opens a lot of doors for students,” Islas said. “Actually, getting to have these experiences first-hand, before medical school is an eye-opener. And the majority of placement sites are doctor’s offices and clinics, so they get to understand the business part of it, too.”

Before his internship at the animal clinic, Peterson thought being a veterinarian would be somewhat laid back. “In all actuality, it’s a pretty non-stop industry,” he said. “If you have one client in a room, you might be finishing up paperwork on the client you were just with, and you have another person coming to you with another client that’s ready to see you. So I’ve just been learning a lot of good techniques on how to handle stress, how to handle difficult situations and still be professional.”

Aside from the clinical hours, the internship also has a class portion in which students learn invaluable information, like how to apply for med school.

“You sit down and they go through the application with you, and they give you advice about how you should write your personal statement,” Ion said. “It’s a lot of useful information that nobody tells you. … Small details that you probably would find out eventually but maybe the hard way.”

Ion just recently finished her application for med school and is set to take the MCAT Aug. 5. She’s got her sights set on becoming a general surgeon and has her fingers crossed that she’ll get accepted to the Mayo Medical School opening in Scottsdale in 2017.

“I feel like now I have a better understanding of what to expect,” she said.

As for Peterson, he completed his internship July 8 but still has two more semesters before graduating from ASU with his bachelor’s in biology. When he does, though, he’ll have plenty of clinical experience.

“It’s definitely very competitive and difficult to get into the medical field,” he said. “So having an internship like this — whether it’s at Midwestern, or a private practice, or something else — at least you’re getting that experience. And after this semester, I will have 135 hours of clinical experience that I can add to my resume.”

Larcus is grateful that the program is meeting ASU pre-health students’ needs and helping to ensure their success.

“Everybody’s got a 4.0. Everybody’s got good MACT scores,” she said. “[Students] are trying to beef up their resume, and what they’ve found is that because they lack clinical hours, it puts them at a disadvantage. This program is providing them with a good opportunity to get clinical hours that will increase their chances of getting into medical school.”

Emma Greguska

Editor, ASU News

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The art of the academic podcast

ASU PhD student takes "big ideas" from ivory tower to everyday life in podcast.
RadioLab, This American Life influence ASU PhD student's writing-centric podcast
July 22, 2016

ASU student uses digital storytelling to take 'big ideas' from ivory tower to everyday life

Podcasts have exploded in popularity. The digital broadcasts are known for specialized subject matter and hosts who communicate complex ideas to a diverse audiences — something the similarly popular TED talks are beloved for (and there’s a podcast for that now, too).

ASU English doctoral student Steven Hopkins — who describes himself as “obsessed” with the digital audio files — hopes to capitalize on the craze with his podcast "Writing Questions," which explores the role of writing in our everyday lives and cultures.

“I was a big fan of 'Radiolab' and 'This American Life,' and so I wanted to tell stories the way they tell stories,” Hopkins said. “So I thought, ‘What’s my niche? What do I have to offer this world where lots of people are telling lots of different kinds of stories?’ … Then I thought, ‘Well, I’m interested in writing and studying it.’ So those are the kinds of stories I want to tell; I want to tell stories about writing.”

A military brat (episode six of "Writing Questions" explores the role of writing in the U.S. Army), Hopkins moved around a lot as a child, at varying times calling Idaho, Virginia, California and South Carolina home. The experience tuned him in to a natural ability.

“I remember when I was a little kid, we spent a lot of time in Idaho,” he recalled. “And I remember being 6 or 7 and being able to distinguish that in Idaho they say ‘pop,’ and (elsewhere) they don’t. Or that everyone ends their sentences with ‘huh?’ That’s just something I picked up on. I’ve always kind of had an ear for how people talk, and always cared about it.”

Something else he cared about was “making stuff.” The need to create led him to an interest in photography, then filming (some of his work can be seen on YouTube). Getting into podcasts, he says, was just the next logical step.

So with a topic in mind, he began reaching out to friends and acquaintances with unique and varying interests related to writing and asking to interview them.

It’s been a year and a half since Hopkins started out on this venture, and in that time he’s interviewed an Army captain, a thrift shopping professor and a tattoo-seeking friend (among others) — all the while, tying each of their personal stories to writing.

In between dialogue, he sometimes takes a moment to unpack what he calls “these really cool thoughts and ideas” that might otherwise be confined to discussions among a small group of people in a classroom.

In episode four (“Tattoos”), he talks about the concept of “asynchronicity”:

“When a person writes a poem, or paints a painting, or designs a website, their audience will experience it away from the creator. This is what scholars call ‘asynchronicity’ — not being in the same place at the same time. With a lot of creation, we don’t get much control over the ways that people interpret it because we can’t be there next to them to clarify for them what our intentions were. But with tattoos, that’s a little different. The creation goes with us.”

Hopkins loves the fact that his podcast allows him to delve into more sophisticated subject matters in a way that’s easily understood.

“I feel that the scholarship that I read — the academic scholarship — seems like it stays in these books, right? There’s really interesting stuff, but it kind of gets siloed in our own community,” he said, “and I want people in a bigger audience than just my scholarly community to have those ideas and be able to talk about them and share them.

“So, if I can translate these really big ideas that we have in my scholarly community into words that are more open and accessible to a lot more people, then that’s something that I’d like to do.”

He also hopes with his podcast to bring greater visibility to the accomplishments and excellence of ASU’s writing program. In the tattoo episode, he sat down with ASU English professor Gregory Castle, who has been experimenting with a new approach to literature in his English 200 course that focuses on body and body art.

Right now, Hopkins is teaching a business writing course in which he assigned students extra credit for listening to a podcast about entrepreneurship, then recording their own to reflect on what they’d learned. Eventually, he’d like to incorporate digital storytelling into a course in a more concrete way, teaching it as a form of composition.

You can listen to Hopkins’ podcast, "Writing Questions," on SoundCloud at: You can also check out his work and that of his fellow scholars on their Facebook group, Podcasts in Rhetoric and Composition, @rhetcompcast.

Read on to learn more about Hopkins’ DIY approach to creating a podcast and some of the challenges associated with it.

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Recently, Hopkins was working on a piece about freeway panhandlers (depicted in photo at top), asking them about the messages they write on their signs. A bit hesitant at first, the more he spoke to them the more comfortable he became, resulting in some great conversations. Unfortunately, it wasn’t until he was headed back to his car that he realized his recording equipment had malfunctioned. 

“I learned a lot about how to proceed with this project. I know that the questions I was asking are worth asking, and I learned a little more about what to expect. And I definitely learned to triple check the recorder before forgetting about it and asking questions.”

Photos by Charlie Leight/ASU Now

On the meaning behind the name of his podcast:

“'Writing Questions' kind of has three meanings to it. There’s like, the question of ‘What are you doing?’ Well, I’m writing questions. So that’s like present progressive tense. Then, one thing that the podcast is, is writing questions; questions about writing. And the third thing is kind of like a sentence in itself: Writing questions. Like one of the things that writing does is it brings up questions.”

On DIY-ing it:

“My wife made a lion costume for one of my sons for Halloween, so I took part of the lion’s mane and cut it out and just hot glued it (as a makeshift windscreen; which funnily enough, are sometimes called ‘dead cats’), because this microphone gets really bad wind noise.”

Some tips for making a good podcast:

• “I listen to people talk about what makes a good radio story, and one guy was talking about how if there’s motion around the microphone — if you’re just sitting there, then it sounds like you’re just sitting there. But if you’re moving, it’s more fun for the person listening to it because they feel like they’re going on an adventure with you. So I really wanted to — if I was gonna talk about tattoos — have some motion, and to actually go and do something and see something happening.”

• “If you want to create that feeling of intimacy, you really gotta get the microphone as close to the person as you can so that when the person puts their headphones on and they’re listening to it, it feels like the person is right there. So much of it is trying to re-create this feeling of an intimate conversation. Usually what I like to do, is if I’m sitting down with somebody, I’ll do a headphone splitter so that I’m wearing headphones and they’re wearing headphones. Because it creates a really intimate experience of them hearing their own voice [as we’re talking].”

Some lessons he’s learned along the way:

• “I’m kind of klutzy, so I get tons of bad handling noise if I’m holding the microphone. So I bought this shock mount so that I don’t have to worry about being clumsy and making noise.”

• “I have one cable — it’s a y-splitter cable — so it goes into two channels. One I record at a higher volume, one at a lower volume. So if somebody yells or shouts, then I’ve got a safety track so I don’t lose anything, because I’d go out and try to record and come back and have just totally unusable sound. And you have to listen to yourself while you’re recording so that you know if something’s going wrong.”

• “I use Adobe Audition. And, I mean, I have experience with Premiere Pro and other Adobe software but there’s a pretty steep learning curve. You really gotta invest some time into understanding what’s going on. But there’s lots of tutorials on YouTube.”

Some of his favorite podcasts:

“I’ve got a big list. '99 Percent Invisible' is a really great one; that’s about looking at designed objects in our lives. They’ve had one about doors and buildings, ways to leave buildings and stuff like that. That one’s great. There’s one called the 'Allusionist,' and it’s a British lady who talks about the origin of words. There’s a few other academic-type podcasts … my friend Eric does one called 'Rhetoricity,' where it’s mainly interviews with scholars. One of my favorites is called 'Song Exploder,' where this guy interviews bands, and they take a song that they’ve got and they take every single track — the guitars, the bass, the drums, the vocals — and they break it all apart individually, talk about why they recorded each one each way, and then at the end, they play the whole song together. So you’ve got this renewed appreciation of everything that went into that song.”

His advice to would-be podcasters:

“You just have to do it. I mean, you really just have to jump in. My first episode — I think I did an episode zero, where I tried to do like, a “two-guys-on-a-microphone” thing, where you just talk and record it, and then you publish it. And I didn’t really like that format very much. Plus, the guy that I did it with wasn’t really enthusiastic about it; he didn’t want to do it again. So then I decided to try the storytelling thing. … Just trying to be a journalist and interview everybody and double-check things. Even though it took me, I think 60 hours, to put that first episode together, it was a really rewarding experience.”