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ASU counseling degree will now be available online

March 26, 2021

Program prepares students to handle psychological counseling for risky substance-use and addiction clients

More than 81,000 people died of drug overdoses in the United States in the 12 months ending in May 2020.

It was the highest number of overdose deaths ever recorded in a 12-month period, according to recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. At least 10 Western states reported more than a 98% increase in opioid-related deaths.

The numbers suggest the pandemic accelerated overdoses, as people became stressed, isolated and bored. Alcohol sales were also up during the pandemic.

With skyrocketing addiction come a dire need for counseling. Aiming to fill the gap, an undergraduate program in psychological counseling, risky substance use and addiction at Arizona State University’s College of Integrative Sciences and Arts is going online for the first time in August.

It’s a career with a more than 22% growth rate, according to the U.S. Department of Labor employment and training administration.

“This was something (where) we were really trying to respond to psychology majors who wanted more of an applied focus because they knew they were going to go into counseling or some kind of psychotherapy,” said Lisa Spanierman, professor and faculty head of counseling and counseling psychology. “And so they wanted the theory plus the application.”

As well as drug and alcohol concerns associated with the pandemic, there are increased rates of anxiety, depression and suicide, especially among teens.

“There are all kinds of issues that I think undergrads who are trained in some of the basics and foundational knowledge of mental health can play a supportive role for counselors, or they'll be well-positioned to go on directly to a graduate program in counseling,” Spanierman said.

The program began on the Polytechnic campus in fall 2017 with eight students. It is the first of its kind at a large public university. Now the program has grown to 80 students.

There are very few credentials at the undergraduate level. To be a counselor, you have to have a master's degree. The state of Arizona has a credential called a "licensed substance-abuse technician." The college obtained the credential from the Arizona Board of Behavioral Health, resulting in a special concentration for people who want to do substance-related work and support substance-use counselors.

The college also offers a master’s degree program in counseling psychology. Immediately upon graduation, those students are eligible to be licensed professional counselors in the state of Arizona. They start as a licensed associate counselor. They have to do 3,200 of postgraduate hours where they're supervised.

“We actually have our first graduates from the undergraduate program now in that master's program,” Spanierman said.

The difference from a general psychology degree? A greater focus on application of theory to clinical settings so grads can help with group counseling and group theory. But ASU’s program wields a strong multicultural lens.

“We really take seriously the need to offer services to a diverse society with regard to race, religion, ethnicity, sexual identity and sexual orientation,” Spanierman said. “So scholars in my field and clinicians in my subspecialty of counseling psychology have really been on the forefront of research and work to train a workforce, to work with diverse folks. And so we have a big emphasis on multicultural counseling throughout the program that I think students really respond well to.”

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The not-so-positive side of positivity

March 26, 2021

ASU’s Project Humanities hosts event on 'toxic positivity' with author and podcast host Nora McInerny

“At least the play was good,” Mrs. Lincoln never said.

“I've always wanted to visit Europe,” said no one on D-Day.

“We get to swim!” said nobody on the Titanic.

These statements, though fictional, all are examples of a newly named social dynamic — “toxic positivity,” or the belief that a positive mindset must be kept up, even if a situation is terrible or threatening. Toxic positivity puts a falsely happy, unrealistic face on tough situations, ignoring legitimately tough feelings. 

Arizona State University’s Project Humanities hosted a March 25 livestream event titled “Toxic Positivity: The Good, the Bad and the Made Pretty” featuring author and podcast host Nora McInerny, to explore this subject and have an honest conversation about the flip side of positivity.

“To imagine that difficult times can be sugared over is problematic for those experiencing difficult times. I am learning that this is a response people have when we cannot solve a complicated and bad situation, our own or someone else’s,” said Neal A. Lester, founding director of Project Humanities, during the event. “To deny lived emotional responses to negative or bad experiences puts the ‘toxic’ in positivity. This conversation with Nora McInerny – one of the leading popular voices on this topic – was enlightening, funny, and empowering for anyone and everyone wrestling with all the crappiness that life can toss at us.”

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Sarah Tracy, professor of organizational communication and qualitative methodology (top left) and Nora McInerny, author and host of the podcast, “Terrible, Thanks for Asking,” on a March 25 webcast about “Toxic Positivity: The Good, the Bad and the Made Pretty” with Professor Neal Lester (bottom).

Facilitated by Sarah Tracy, professor of communication in the ASU Hugh Downs School of Human Communication, the experts had a wide-ranging 90-minute discussion on life, death, grief, sobriety and how discomfort often makes others uncomfortable.

“Toxic positivity itself is a very American thing,” said McInerny, the author of three books and host of the popular podcast “Terrible, Thanks for Asking.” “Think about the ways in which American culture venerates strength: We pull ourselves by the bootstraps; we are self-made; we are rugged individuals. And if there is ever a struggle, it results in your immediate improvement or success. In reality, does that ring true with you at all? Does that ring true with your life experience? Of course it doesn’t.”

McInerny speaks from experience. In the span of six weeks in 2014, the then 31-year-old McInerny had a miscarriage, lost her father to cancer and lost her husband Aaron Purmort due to a brain tumor. Her life fell apart, and she and her toddler son, Ralph, moved in with her mother.

She worked through her grief but says it was messy. Three weeks after Aaron’s death, McInerny posted happy photos of herself on Instagram, exercising, having a drink and living her best life. The pictures intimated she was moving on with her life and signaled, “I’m fine.”

“We know through all of our social norms and through all of our cumulative experiences that our discomfort makes other people uncomfortable and the best thing we can do is to be OK or pretend to be OK,” McInerny said. “We’re not saying ‘I’m fine’ because we are; we’re saying it because we don’t want to be a burden or a bummer.”

But her Instagram photos were the opposite of her real life. When the lights went out at the end of the evening, McInerny said she reached for alcohol for consolation, binge-watched reality television and cried herself to sleep most nights. She also received a lot of unsolicited advice from family and friends, which she didn’t take kindly to, ending many of those associations.

So McInerny turned to journaling, writing about her experiences as a new widow trying to raise a toddler while exploring her grief. The result was a 2016 best-selling book, “It’s Okay to Laugh (Crying is Cool, Too)” and is considered a leading voice in the modern recovery movement. Today she is remarried and has a blended family.

She said even though she’s “moving forward” with her life, there’s still more work to do – in her life as well as others'.

“The point of the podcast and my work is to get us all more comfortable with not just our own discomfort but with the discomfort of others, which is no way limited to grief or loss,” McInerny said. “In order to heal and grow, and fix anything you have to, you have to be able to identify the ways in which its broken. And we as Americans are not very good at that.”

Near the end of the conversation, Tracy asked, “If you are a recovering ‘positivity-aholic,’ what is one next step you can take next week, tomorrow or even tonight to acknowledge the rainbow of emotion and suffering in the world?” The best answers, as McInerny pointed out, came from the audience itself. Messages in the chat thread read:

  • AJ: "I like to stress, ‘It's OK to not be OK’ in the workplace, instead of this false happiness/positivity."
  • Michelle:  "I can feel happy or content about something and at the same time, I feel grief and sorry for my loss. It's a misconception that you only feel one thing at a time."
  • Susan: "Try not to distract yourself from your feelings. Don’t use keeping busy as an excuse to ignore yourself."
  • Emily: "Being able to sit with a child through sadness or anger is crucial. I’m in favor of handling tantrums with this type of language: 'I understand you’re angry and that’s OK to be angry, but it’s not OK to (hurt other people, etc.) — let’s talk about how to handle that big feeling.'”
  • Janaya: "Learning to be OK with my own emotions without intellectualizing them has helped me a lot! I have also learned to ask my friends if they want advice, rather than just giving it."

To watch the Zoom event in its entirety, go here.

Top photo illustration courtesy of iStock/Getty Images.